Every time crypto has failed, it came back bigger. Charles Hoskinson — co-founder of Ethereum and founder of Cardano — joins Dominic Weibel and Wolfgang Vitale on Verified to break down why 2025's underperformance may actually be setting up for crypto's biggest leap yet. From inconsistent U.S. policy and ETF ring-fencing to retail losses from structured-product speculation, the divergence was real but so is the setup.

The conversation goes deep: institutional capture vs. the cypherpunk ethos, custodial apps winning users by default, Bitcoin's quantum vulnerability and DARPA timelines, the tokenomics that could drive the next adoption cycle, AI-driven job displacement, and why onchain governance is no longer optional. This is the conversation most people in crypto aren't having.