The biggest cybersecurity challenges are the wicked problems, the unsolvable, people-based problems.   A lot of security is getting into the “wicked problem” space at this point.   On this episode, we interview Adrian Ludwig, CISO at Atlassian, about how he protects people against people-based risks:   What we talked about:   -Challenges in communicating risk effectively to people   -Creating layered systems to protect against training failures   -Finding hidden expectations in your workplace and among consumers   -Where cybersecurity is headed in 2020 Subscribe to Protecting People at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or our website.