In this week's roundup, we unpack Vitalik's proposal to replace the EVM with RISC-V, explore growing crypto enthusiasm across the globe, and debate Zora’s controversial “just for fun” token model. We also reflect on Ethereum’s evolving architecture, rollup experimentation, and the trade-offs between open and closed source in crypto. Enjoy!

Resources

Long-term L1 execution layer proposal: replace the EVM with RISC-V: https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/long-term-l1-execution-layer-proposal-replace-the-evm-with-risc-v/23617

Uma’s Thoughts on Vitalik’s Proposal: https://x.com/pumatheuma/status/1913938547301863630

Introducing vApps: https://x.com/SuccinctLabs/status/1915427365779628151

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:46) Updates From BUIDL Asia 2025

(09:07) Replacing the EVM with RISC-V

(19:10) Supra Pre-Roll

(19:36) Ledger Pre-Roll

(19:54) Execution Layer Experimentation With Rollups

(25:07) The EVMs Network Effects

(29:57) Are We Heading Towards A Closed-Source Future

(46:38) Supra Mid-Roll

(47:23) Ledger Mid-Roll

(47:58) Thoughts on Zora’s Token & Model

(57:46) Experimenting With Memecoins

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this episode, our Blockworks Research analysts cover shifting macro conditions, the growth of tokenized gold, Solana’s rising institutional interest, and the evolving overlap between crypto and traditional finance. They also examine airdrop mechanics, critique Berachain’s approach, and debate what trends will define the next two years.

Thanks for tuning in!

As always, remember this podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely their opinions, not financial advice.

Resources

Berachain Dashboard: https://app.blockworksresearch.com/analytics/berachain?dashboard=bera-overview

Kaito Connect Post: https://x.com/KaitoAI/status/1912160810329112899

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

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Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

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In this week's roundup, we’re joined by Luis Schliesske, Founder of Abundance and Gelato, to take the Sovereign Rollup pill! We challenge traditional L1 vs. L2 distinctions, dive into rollup architecture, settlement misconceptions, and why rollup L1s may define the future of modular blockchain infrastructure. Enjoy!

Resources

Gelato’s Vision for Abundant Blockspace & Sovereign Rollups: https://t.co/czhqMgM1e2

ABC: The Sovereign Rollup Pill: https://x.com/luis_0x/status/1907822812846346262

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

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Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(03:19) The Division Between L1s & L2s

(12:27) What is Settlement?

(17:48) Supra Pre-Roll

(18:13) Ledger Pre-Roll

(18:32) Applications & Security Zones

(25:54) Settlement Assurance For Institutions

(34:56) Supra Mid-Roll

(35:41) Ledger Mid-Roll

(36:16) Assessing Asset Risk

(48:12) IBC Eureka Goes Live

(01:01:12) Bitcoin L2s & Starkware's ColliderVM

(01:08:08) The ABC Stack & Sovereign Rollups

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this week's episode, we’re joined by A.J. Warner, CSO at Offchain Labs, to discuss his bold vision for Arbitrum as a “digital sovereign nation.” We explore key differences between L1s and L2s, Arbitrum’s business model, capital allocation strategies, and how the new OpCo structure will drive governance and operational efficiency. Enjoy!

Resources

Hope for the Future of Arbitrum: https://x.com/ajwarner90/status/1908143389658194094

Arbitrum Forum - OpCo: https://forum.arbitrum.foundation/c/dao-grant-programs/operation-company-opco/63

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

–

Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(02:07) Thinking About L1s vs L2s

(10:02) Supra Pre-Roll

(10:28) Ledger Pre-Roll

(10:46) L2s Ability to Allocate Capital

(20:32) Arbitrum's Business Model

(26:35) Supra Mid-Roll

(27:20) Ledger Mid-Roll

(27:55) Key Growth Metrics

(33:36) Capital Allocation Concerns & Arbitrum Governance

(48:47) Arbitrum Stakeholders & DAO Structure

(56:36) Operational Challenges & the Future of Arbitrum

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this week's roundup, we dive into the future of the EVM, exploring its shortcomings, network effects, and the rise of customized execution environments. We also discuss the value of decentralization, the durability of L1 premiums, the evolving app vs. infra dynamic, and how institutions might reshape blockchain adoption. Enjoy!

Resources

Fortress of Solitude - DegenSpartan: https://www.egirlcapital.com/writings/dE4AzaSbREOMppMqRmFpuA

Solana Policy Institute: https://x.com/SolanaInstitute/status/1906677246225707379

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

–

Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

–

Missed DAS? Join us from June 24th-June 26th at Permissionless IV! Use Code EXPANSION10 at checkout for 10% off!

Tickets: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iv

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:19) The Future of the EVM

(11:22) Supra Pre-Roll

(11:47) Ledger Pre-Roll

(12:05) Building a Differentiated L1 Today

(20:43) Revisiting the Fat Protocol Thesis

(25:39) Supra Mid-Roll

(26:23) Ledger Mid-Roll

(26:58) Does the Market Still Care About Decentralization?

(39:39) Is There Still an L1 Premium?

(49:48) Winners Games & Losers Games

(58:18) The Solana Policy Institute

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this week's roundup, the crew dives into AI’s impact on work, debates the realism of a post-work society, and unpacks the Hyperliquid vs. JellyJelly saga. They also explore the flood of new institutional stablecoin announcements, wins for privacy in crypto, and what stablecoins mean for L1 token value. Enjoy!

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(02:11) The Post Work Society Debate

(11:06) Supra Pre-Roll

(11:32) Hyperliquid x JellyJelly Drama

(28:11) Supra Mid-Roll

(28:56) Privacy in Crypto

(35:54) Institutional Stablecoin Announcements

(50:16) Is Stablecoin Growth Bullish for L1s?

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this week's roundup, we discuss key takeaways from the 2025 Digital Asset Summit, including Donald Trump’s remarks on stablecoins, and the growing institutional interest in crypto. We explore the implications of stablecoin adoption, the role of TradFi in DeFi, and the evolving regulatory landscape. The conversation also touches on enterprise adoption of blockchains, and speculation on Elon Musk launching a stablecoin. Enjoy!

Resources

Why BitTorrent Mattered: https://medium.com/@simonhmorris/why-bittorrent-mattered-bittorrent-lessons-for-crypto-1-of-4-fa3c6fcef488

–

L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

–

Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

–

Missed DAS? Join us from June 24th-June 26th at Permissionless IV! 

Tickets: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iv

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:48) Trump Addresses DAS

(04:21) Institutional Interest in Crypto is Growing

(11:37) Supra Pre-Roll

(12:02) Ledger Pre-Roll

(12:21) TradFi and DeFi Collide

(20:13) Betting on the Growth of Stablecoins

(27:20) Will Elon Launch USDX?

(30:18) Supra Mid-Roll

(31:03) Ledger Mid-Roll

(31:38) Solana's Controversial Ad

(34:33) Crypto's Lobbying Presence in DC

(47:11) Operating Within the L2 Landscape

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this week's Roundup, the crew dives into the growing intersection of AI and crypto, and the debate over AI agents transacting onchain. They explore the viability of zkAI, VC interest in crypto amid an AI-driven funding landscape, and the growing divergence between the OP Stack and Arbitrum. Finally, they tackle on-chain governance struggles, the fixation on block times, and why, despite bearish sentiment, the long-term future of crypto has never looked brighter. Enjoy!

Resources

OP Stack & Arbitrum Stack diverging: https://x.com/pumatheuma/status/1897746210351726883

Funding Rounds in Crypto: https://defillama.com/raises

Mert’s SIMD-228 Post: https://x.com/0xMert_/status/1900172113287565754

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(02:57) Why Would AI Agents Transact Onchain?

(07:17) Is zkAI Viable?

(10:45) Supra Pre-Roll

(11:10) Does Grok Suck?

(12:59) VC Interest in Crypto

(15:30) OP Stack and Arbitrum Orbit Stack Diverging

(27:02) Are Regulatory Pressures Impacting L2 Models?

(34:16) Supra Mid-Roll

(35:00) The Fixation on Block Times

(40:11) Onchain Governance Struggles

(55:57) Optimism For Crypto's Future

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

This episode of Expansion dives into Celestia's latest improvement proposals with Dean Eigenmann and Marko Baricevic. We discuss their proposals on locking staking rewards and decreasing Celestia’s inflation rate, which aim to improve tokenomics and long-term network sustainability. The conversation expands into broader debates on proof-of-stake incentives, inflation models, and Celestia’s relationship with Ethereum. Enjoy!

Resources

CIP-29: Decrease Inflation and Adjust Disinflation: https://github.com/celestiaorg/CIPs/blob/main/cips/cip-29.md

CIP-30: Prevent Auto-Claiming of Staking Rewards: https://github.com/celestiaorg/CIPs/blob/main/cips/cip-30.md

CIP-31: Treat Rewards as part of the Lockup Account: https://github.com/celestiaorg/CIPs/blob/main/cips/cip-31.md

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L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s. 

Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

–

Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Bell Curve! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

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Join us at DAS NYC 2025!  Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(04:49) Celestia's Relationship to Cosmos

(09:28) Changing Celestia's Economics and Incentives

(13:03) Supra Pre-Roll

(13:30) Ledger Pre-Roll

(13:47) Locking Staking Rewards

(16:45) What is the Ideal Stake Rate?

(24:49) Lowering Celestia's Inflation Rate

(33:30) The Inflation Debate

(42:27) Supra Mid-Roll

(43:11) Ledger Mid-Roll

(43:47) Should Celestia Focus on Generating Fees?

(50:47) Is the L1 Premium Dead?

(01:00:33) Celestia's Relationship With Ethereum

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Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

In this week's roundup, the crew discusses Base’s Flashbocks, and the pushback they received regarding centralization concerns. They also dive into their concerns with the rapid politicization of crypto. Finally, they cover the economic models of blockchains, particularly general-purpose L1s versus L2s. Enjoy!

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(03:52) Discussing Base's Flashblocks

(18:29) Supra Pre-Roll

(18:55) Ledger Pre-Roll

(19:12) The Politicalization of Crypto

(31:22) Leadership Changes For the Ethereum Foundation

(43:51) Supra Mid-Roll

(44:35) Ledger Mid-Roll

(45:11) Is DA the Most Sustainable Driver of Flows?

(55:18) Valuing Blockchain Revenue Streams

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Disclaimer

Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.