In today's show we sat down with Ben Winter. Ben is an Author, Speaker, Actor, Improvist, Entrepreneur, Traveler, Father, and much much more. He loves to explore, yes, physical places around the world, but also he loves to explore the mind. What was cool about today's discussion is we got deep into the "mud" on some important topics like managing expectations, parenting, and avoiding certainty. And to ensure we gave each of these topics their due depth and nuance, I had an initial conversation with Ben, then we both took some time to listen back to it and then came back a week later for a follow up discussion (both included in this show). This helped to make sure we were being thoughtful about what we were discussing, we had time to reflect on our answers, and ultimately embrace the messiness that is real life and real human thinking.