Esther and Ian explain why they are here doing this, rather than being elsewhere doing something different.

Links

• “Start Close In” by David Whyte
• “Never doubt…” quote, which is attributed to Margaret Mead rather than Rosa Luxemburg as we had said in the episode
• Ian’s other podcasts:
  • What A Lot of Things – tech nerdery
  • Days – gentle mockery around of “awareness days”
  • Ilkley Lockdown – interviews with Ilkley people made during the COVID pandemic