In this episode of Below the Surface, host Paul Asadoorian speaks with Evan Dornbush, CEO of Desired Effect, about the evolving landscape of exploit marketplaces and vulnerability research. They discuss the challenges researchers face in monetizing their findings, the ethical implications of selling exploits, and the importance of timely intelligence for defenders. The conversation also touches on the role of AI in vulnerability research, the dynamics between buyers and sellers in the marketplace, and the impact of end-of-life devices on cybersecurity. Overall, the episode provides valuable insights into the complexities of the exploit marketplace and the need for a more proactive approach to cybersecurity.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Desired Effect and Evan Dornbush

02:35 The Evolution of Exploit Marketplaces

05:06 Monetizing Vulnerability Research

07:46 The Role of Disclosure in Exploit Sales

10:28 Understanding the Value of Exploits

13:14 Ethics and Motivations in Vulnerability Research

15:51 Validation of Vulnerabilities and Exploits

18:29 Buyer Vetting and Market Dynamics

21:31 Proactive Defense Strategies

24:32 Market Insights and Future Trends

27:43 The Marketplace for Exploits

31:08 The Role of Researchers and Vendors

34:51 The Asymmetry in Cybersecurity

38:03 Economic Incentives in Cybersecurity

40:25 The Complexity of Risk Management

43:57 The Future of Exploit Disclosure

47:23 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity

53:31 Closing Thoughts on Exploit Ethics