Explore with Lori Ference

In this episode of Explore with Lori Ference, Lori speaks with author and writing mentor Ani Tuzman about her powerful memoir Angels on the Clothesline.

Ani grew up on a back road chicken farm in New England as the daughter of Holocaust survivors. At the age of eight, she began writing to an invisible companion, filling page after page with questions about a world shaped by silence, loss, and the lingering shadow of the Holocaust. Those early writings became the beginning of a lifelong path of reflection, storytelling, and meaning-making.

In this conversation, Lori and Ani explore the role of voice, memory, and storytelling in healing. Ani shares excerpts from her memoir and reflects on the journey of writing about family history, trauma, and resilience.

For Lori, whose work centers on ancestral healing and the ways the past lives within us, this conversation touches on something deeply meaningful: how stories carried through generations can shape our lives, and how giving voice to them can be part of a profound healing process.

This episode invites listeners into a thoughtful exploration of writing, memory, ancestry, and the enduring human impulse to make meaning from our experiences.

Book discussed in this episode

Angels on the Clothesline by Ani Tuzman
https://anituzman.com

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In May 2023, Debbie Bulten etched her name in mountaineering history by accomplishing what many thought impossible. Scaling the heights of Mount Everest, the world's highest peak, and seamlessly transitioning to conquer Lhotse, the fourth highest mountain, Debbie's achievement is nothing short of awe-inspiring. Her journey is a testament to human resilience, determination, and the unyielding pursuit of dreams.

• Witness Debbie's historic ascent to the summit of Everest, the ultimate pinnacle of mountaineering.
• Embark on the journey from crossing yak bridges in the Khumbu Valley to navigating the perilous Khumbu Icefall and conquering formidable ice walls on the ascent.
• Experience the breathtaking beauty and challenges of high-altitude climbing.
• Follow Debbie's decision to summit Lhotse, a choice she prepared for but confirmed only after successfully summiting Everest and returning to high camp, adding an extra layer of challenge to her extraordinary adventure.

Don't miss this captivating episode as we explore Debbie Bulten's Everest & Lhotse Expedition—a tale of triumph, perseverance, and the indomitable spirit of adventure. Tune in now to uncover the remarkable story behind one of mountaineering's greatest accomplishments.

00:00 Introduction to Debbie Bulten and her journey to Everest base camp

01:45 Challenges of crossing yak bridges and acclimatization process

02:54 Importance of acclimatization and climbing high, sleeping low

04:33 Encounters with yaks, logistics of transporting gear, division of gear

06:20 Scenic views along the trek

09:36 Goal for this year, back to ultra running, training

10:13 presence of prayer flags all over the Khumbu Valley

10:50 Description of base camp life and layout

13:08 Challenges of illnesses at altitude and difficulty of recovery

17:45  Eating at high altitude

18:50  Everest horseshoe

19:40 Traditional "puja" ceremony and rituals before climbing

20:43 Safety precautions during ladder crossings and navigating shifting ice

24:14 Camp routine, prior experiences, and hazards of the Icefall

30:13 Explanation of safety measures while climbing

30:58 Account of a fall resulting in knee surgery

36:16 Advice on managing fear

39:38 Description of the immense landscape of the Himalayas and the unique experience it offers.

40:22 Recount of a challenging climb and the physical demands of navigating through ice walls and crevasses.

45:15 Discussion on coping with extreme cold during expeditions, emphasizing hydration, nutrition, and high-calorie snacks.

46:30 Challenges of eating and digesting food at high altitudes, stressing proper hydration to prevent hypothermia and frostbite.

47:05 Methods for managing bodily functions in extreme conditions, like using a portable bathroom inside the tent.

48:01 Overview of the route from Camp 2 to Everest summit, including acclimatization and final ascent.

50:15 Importance of minimizing time in the "death zone" above 26,000 feet due to oxygen deprivation.

52:17 Description of the steep ascent from high camp to summit ridge.

58:05 Emotional significance of summiting and focus on the challenging descent.

1:00:26 Everest Summit video

1:01:11 Lhotse summit and view of Everest with blowing snow

1:01:48 Difficulty of summiting Lhotse, decision to summit Lhotse after Everest

1:03:40 Descent to camp 2, discussion about the intense challenges faced during the climb

1:05:14 Risks of altitude sickness and  the importance of watching out for each other.

1:07:53 Passing by those who don’t make it home

1:09:21 Discussion on risky activities like skydiving, contrasting with the perceived risks of climbing.

1:10:18 Arrival at Camp 2

1:11:05  Journey back to base camp from Camp 2, with relief and celebration upon arrival

1:13:23 Emotional reunion with family upon returning home, highlighting the support and understanding received.

1:13:40 Gradual sharing of experiences with friends and family, allowing for reflection and processing of the challenging climb.

EPISODE CREDITS

SPECIAL THANKS TO DEBBIE BULTEN for photos, videos and for sharing her story

Hosted, Directed, Edited and Produced by Lori Ference

Thanks to Madison Mountaineering for footage of the Western Cwm

“Sunshine” by SergePavkinMusic Music by Sergii Pavkin from Pixabay

"Happy Warm Days Music" by Sergii Pavkin from Pixabay

© 2024 Lori Ference

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Debbie recounts breathtaking moments on Lhotse, Everest, and Denali, the hardships endured, and the indescribable feeling of standing atop these formidable giants. 

Debbie's indomitable spirit and tenacity will leave you in awe as she shares her experiences and challenges faced during these monumental climbs. Gain insight into the immense planning and preparation that goes into each expedition , her rigorous training regimen and the mindset required to tackle such enormous goals. 

Whether you are an outdoor enthusiast, an aspiring climber, or simply seeking inspiration, this episode is a must-watch. Prepare to be captivated by Debbie Bulten's exceptional journey and absorb the invaluable life lessons she imparts along the way

Liked what you saw? Don't forget to hit that like button, share this video with your friends, and subscribe to our channel for more captivating content. Stay tuned for future episodes as we continue to explore our world, highlighting incredible individuals pushing the boundaries of achievement and redefining what it is to be human. 

About Debbie Bulten

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Bad soil? You can still have good crops.

Dry conditions? Water has a memory. Learn why this is important.

Tatas'juanna opens part two of our “Getting to the Root”  conversation talking about his  battle for water and his plans for a walk along the Colorado River from Mexico to Moab, Utah.

He then speaks about  indigenous farming practices including developing a relationship with your seeds, fortifying them with moon energy, and most importantly having a strong expectation of abundance.

Akin to the observer effect in quantum physics,  this consistent expectation of abundance yields extraordinary results.

He then reveals the best fertilizer you can use. Hint: it’s not compost, manure, bonemeal, fish emulsions, etc.

Discover how indigenous farming practices traveled with the ancient Pueblo people from Mesoamerica to the Arizona desert.

Circle back to  an exploration of root words. This conversation will likely have you thinking very differently about what it means to be a shaman or witch.

Find out that words of affirmation in Tatas’juanna’s culture have the same meaning as “Namaste” or “Amen”.

Explore how honouring ancestral earth connections may  bear abundant fruit (and veggies).

Note: Tatas’juanna mentions his death experience in this episode. More about that here:   Waking up in the Morgue
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In the first of this two part conversation with Hopi-Tewa holy man, Tatas’juanna, we go all over the map from how to handle difficult people  knocking  on your door  to defying gravity in the Grand Canyon. When Tatas’juanna says the word, “Indian” my ears perk up.  I ask him about his use of that word and we go from there talking about indigenousness and  “getting to the root” meaning of other words. This exploration leads to redefining fear, power, and grace;  offering  a bright side to any situation you may be experiencing  no matter how bleak, including loss, death and grief. 

You will be led to a practical understanding of indigenous spirituality and how it  applies to everyone. You will learn about indigenous farming practices and  how  Tatas’uanna’s powerful relationship with  water helps him grow abundant and delicious food  in the desert.  

If you are freaked out by the crazy shifts in weather we’ve been experiencing and wondering if Armeggedon type scenarios are coming to fruition, you need to hear this. Tatas’juanna shares the female version of the Hopi prophecy and provides context for the changes we are experiencing.  

Ultimately, we are all being led into a journey of the heart. In this episode you will be guided through a practical exercise called, “Being Present in the Day” to assist in this journey. 

This conversation will leave you feeling inspired, empowered and hopeful about the future for yourself and for our world. 

“We are all divine beings, encased in all different forms of matter.” ~Tatas’juanna 

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Explore with Lori Ference is a new series  featuring conversations with adventurers and  illuminators. It  will be available on YouTube and all the major podcasting apps. 

My first guest will be Tewa-Hopi holy man, Tatas'juanna, whom you might remember from my Leaders' Call to Adventure episode, "Tatas'juanna: Waking Up in the Morgue." If you haven't heard that one yet, I highly recommend checking  it out. It's an incredible story and it provides context to some of the things we talk about in our recent conversation. 

"Explore with Lori Ference” is the new brand for my work which also includes intuitive coaching and healing services. 

The inaugural episode of Explore with Lori Ference will be dropping soon. It’s a two part episode  called, “Getting to the Root” and contains some mind-blowing content. I can’t wait for you to hear it! If you want to check out the video version you can head on over to the Explore with Lori Ference channel on YouTube. Please help me get the word out about the show by subscribing, liking or commenting on my YouTube channel  or posting a rating or review on the platform you are listening in to the show.

Thanks so much and stay tuned! 

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Back from a trip to Prague, Ainé and I catch up to talk about an unexpected discovery she made regarding her Celtic (Irish) ancestors originating from the Kingdom of Bohemia, the predecessor to the Czech Republic.

Traveling down memory lane, in the days before we recorded this episode, I sent her a couple of links about an exhibit I attended in 2008 at the Royal Ontario Museum on the History of Ancient Ukraine and the Cucuteni Trypillian Culture 5400-2700 BC. My working theory is that these people are the ancestors of the Celts.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

• Aine describes a deep sense of loneliness within humanity she tapped into on her trip and what it points to
• Immersive travel vs. hitting all the hot spots
• What's in a name? The myth of "Ainé"
• The upside of inconvenient flight cancellations
• The cultural geography of food and music

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

​Mysteries of Ancient Ukraine: the remarkable Trypillian Culture 5400-2700 BC (Royal Ontario Museum)
​Musical Instrument Museum (Phoenix, AZ)
National Museum of the American Indian (Washington, DC)
National Museum of African American History and Culture
Unearthing Bohemia's Celtic Heritage Ahead of Samhain, The 'New Year'

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About 3 years ago, I started researching my family tree with a free trial month on Ancestry. That small step led to connecting with relatives I never knew existed, finding out important details about our family history I never knew and giving me a deeper insight into family dynamics and a more compassionate understanding of certain family members.

For some reason, I didn't continue with paid membership until January of this year. Once I signed on and more consistently began pursuing genealogy, I decided to get my DNA tested which opened up new avenues of research and revealed more new family members, many of whom I have yet to determine exactly how we are related. This journey has been absolutely fascinating and I wanted to share my discoveries with you. I was waiting for the right moment. 

That moment revealed itself a couple weeks ago when I saw a Facebook post made by Aine Dee. You may remember her from EP21: Sylvia Warren and Aine Dee - Our Humanity Rising

Aine's post began, "RESEARCHING MY ROOTS IS CALLING IN MY ANCESTORS". That title, along with details she shared about discoveries she made after getting her DNA tested, really piqued my curiosity, especially when she honed in on how she felt this connection to her grandfather and his wisdom. All of a sudden he was present with her and wanting to be in conversation. She said, "He's encouraging me to change my lineage, backwards, sideways and forwards, like he never had the patience or fortitude to do - and I still don't know what that means exactly."

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS​​

• Getting your DNA tested
• How migration patterns can affect your DNA results
• Embracing the culture of your family of origin
• Traveling to ancestral lands
• Understanding family dynamics in a deeper way
• "Hearing" the ancestors
• Intergenerational trauma
• How your life passions can connect to genealogy
• Choosing what to recover from your lineage​

ABOUT AINE DEE

Aine Dee is the founder of Wealth Reimagined, which helps women develop and embody their own process of making intimate, informed, and conscious choices around all of their resources, including money, vitality and work. She specializes in women entrepreneurs and women with family wealth who desire to live exquisitely with just enough in alignment with their most holy values, so they can savor their present, secure their future, and share their soulful passions, gifts, skills, and resources as their unique contribution to a thriving collective.

I trust when I think I'm doing something for one thing and it turns out to be for a completely different reason and I know that's the real reason. - Aine Dee

GUEST LINKS

Wealth Reimagined
Facebook - Personal
Facebook - Wealth Reimagined

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

Ancestry.com
23andMe
FamilySearch.org
GEDmatch

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It's such an honour and a privilege to spend time with someone in their final days or weeks or months because that's when you see the person for who they really are. ~ Jennifer Faraone

In January of 2019, Jennifer came upon a traffic accident and instinctively ran to comfort a dying man named Asim.

In the aftermath of his passing, she had a strong sense she needed to write a letter to his family to let them know about his final moments. The letter found its way to them through the police department. She has since forged a close relationship with Asim's family and assisted them in honouring Asim in meaningful ways.

Deeply impacted by this time with Asim and his family and other supporting events, she purposefully embarked on formal education in how to help the dying and grieving, learning from world-renowned experts in the field. Mid-September, she will complete her certification as an End of Life Doula through the Institute of Traditional Medicine in Toronto

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

• Jennifer's recovery from a concussion and the need to cultivate awareness about concussions in the trail running community and in general
• How reiki can help the dying
• The importance of legacy projects
• How to support someone who is grieving in person, at a distance and in the online space
• The power of vulnerability
• What you can do to follow up with someone who has lost a loved one

ABOUT JENNIFER FARAONE

Jennifer has worn many hats over the years: Occupational Therapist, Health Care Project Manager, Run Coach; Author; Reiki Practitioner; Trail Runner; Mother/Wife; and more recently, an End of Life Doula. Although these roles may be distinct from one another, they share a common thread: helping others.

Her interest in End of Life care evolved following a series of deaths and events, including the deaths of several close family members, the death of a stranger, and her volunteer work in palliative care. With each of these moments, there was fear, pain, grief and suffering; but there were also moments of calmness, beauty and peace. She realized that more could be done to help and facilitate these times of transitions, and she wants to help others, including their families and loved ones, as they embrace their own mortality and face difficult decisions at the end of life.

GUEST LINKS

• Instagram
• Twitter
• www.runtrailswithjenn.com

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

• Golden Ultra
• A Dog's Purpose
• Institute of Traditional Medicine- End of Life Care Program
• End of Life Doula Association

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Tamra, her fiancee, Terry and their dog Oonah divide their time between the Bitterroot Valley and a cabin on the Flathead Indian Reservation, situated on on the banks of the Flathead River, surrounded by the Mission Mountains to the east, the National Bison Range to the south, and Glacier National Park to the north.

Tune into this episode to get a sense of what it's like to live and thrive under the big sky.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS​

• ​Cabin life in protected wilderness
• Prey vs predator and the power of being out of your species
• Sometimes there are no words to describe the beauty of our surroundings
• Glaciers, grizzlies and Rocky Mountain Fever
• The power of knowing the history of the land you live upon

When you live in nature and you respect it and you live with it and you honour it, you are in alignment with with being a human on this planet in a way that's working in the cycle of life. ~Tamra Fleming

ABOUT TAMRA FLEMING

Tamra Fleming is the Founder & CEO of UpSwingU.com, MIRACLE Circles and TamraFleming.com, life and business coaching. Tamra combines her 20 years of corporate and 21 years of entrepreneurial experience in life and business coaching to help others grow. She specialized in culture development, team building, performance management and creative experiential adult learning. She worked directly with the senior leadership team at Starbucks to create training programs that maintained and built the world-wide culture.
She holds a B.S. in Organizational Behavior, Certification for Life & Business Coaching, and certifications in Instructional Design, Energy Coaching, Color Theory, Feng Shui, Chinese Five Element Theory, Chinese Facial Diagnosis, and Quantum Healing.

HER WHY:
*"I believe people have limitless potential. In everything I do, I entertain, educate and provide experiences for willing souls to step into their full power."* ~Tamra

GUEST LINKS

• UpSwingU.com
• TamraFleming.com

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

• Rocking Outdoor Sisterhood
• Grizzly Adams (TV Series)
• Jeremiah Johnson (film)
• Cowboy Ethics (book by James P. Owen)
• Yellowstone (TV series)
• The Revenant (film)

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