Why did God create anything at all? Why did Christ incarnate and atone for our sins? A framework for divine action tries to capture and predict such theological data. In their paper "God of Holy Love," Jonathan Rutledge and Jordan Wessling argue that their love-centered framework better predicts the data than Mark Murphy's holiness-centered framework. I chat with Dr. Rutledge about their view in this episode of the Coffee With Philosophers podcast. Please grab a coffee and join us!