In this episode, Eva and John dive into the question of leadership in our world and within their relationship — what it means to lead, what it means to follow, and how to find balance between the two. Eva opens up about her personal exploration of leadership, the desire to be a strong guide, but also to soften and trust, to relax into the flow of following. Together, they explore how leadership in a relationship isn’t about dominance, but about attunement — listening deeply, taking turns, and honoring each other’s natural rhythms.

As their conversation unfolds, something real begins to happen in the moment. There’s a tender pause where emotions rise, and the dance of leading and following comes alive between them. 

They navigate that tender space together, finding their way back to each other’s presence. It’s a living example of the topic they’re exploring — a reminder that true leadership in a relationship is a dance of co-creation and vulnerability.

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