Geri stops by to chat about not giving too much of your material away on the internet (hence why I’ve ended up cutting quite a bit out), undergoing life coaching, artist guilt, trying to be less apologetic and less dependent on inner turmoil to help make your work. Then I meet with Tyler whilst he’s over in the UK researching Garth Evans’ artist placement at British Steel, which may have had some big implications, and we talk pedagogy, precarity and their combined perpetuation.