In this episode, recorded this past winter, Zach interviews his friend Dr. Alan Kemper. Dr. Kemper is a former college professor that proposes the idea that getting all A's can be a "failure." Be prepared to glean wisdom from this conversation about the game of entrepreneurship and the four fires philosophy. Where you dump your logs will determine how well you weather the storms of life. Connect with Dr. Alan Kemper at four-fires.com or leadworkforceconsulting.com