Join host Justin Forman as he reunites with Mark Grunden, who brings a unique perspective from both the business world and pastoral ministry. Their unexpected connection at the DMZ in South Korea leads to a compelling conversation about why society trusts entrepreneurs twice as much as pastors—and how this presents an unprecedented opportunity for Kingdom impact.

Drawing from groundbreaking research with Barna Group, this episode reveals how 70% of entrepreneurs believe that when churches and business leaders partner together, they can solve the world's greatest problems. Mark shares practical insights from his journey through missions, entrepreneurship, and ministry at Saddleback Church, offering a roadmap for churches ready to empower their entrepreneurial members.

• Why society respects entrepreneurs 2x more than pastors (and why that's an opportunity, not a threat)
• The faith and work movement goes mainstream: Insights from Lausanne 2024
• How Saddleback Church pioneered faith and work ministry since the 1990s
• Breaking the "parking jacket and coffee" ministry trap for high-capacity leaders
• Why entrepreneurs are the natural first step for churches entering faith and work
• Building sustainable church networks that empower business leaders
• Practical tools: Foundation Groups and annual conferences that transform communities

"Society at large, they respect entrepreneurs two times more than pastors of the community." - Mark Grunden

"The way that we're gonna make a positive contribution or impact in the communities that our churches sit within, is really by empowering the entrepreneurs, business leaders of our communities and of our congregations to take that front row leadership voice." - Mark Grunden

"Nearly seven out of 10 entrepreneurs believe that when the church and when business leaders and entrepreneurs kind of come together that man, there's a really good chance of solving some of the big problems of the world." - Justin Forman

Join host Justin Forman as he sits down with Sadiq Edu, co-founder of Pika, in Lagos, Nigeria, for an extraordinary conversation about faith transformation, entrepreneurial courage, and the power of data to lift nations. Sadiq shares his remarkable journey from being the grandson of a Sultan to encountering Christ through a series of miraculous events, including being baptized by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

This episode explores how God works through business to address both spiritual and financial poverty, the challenges of building a fintech startup in Africa's informal economy, and the importance of staying true to your calling even when it costs everything.

• The miraculous conversion story: From Islamic royalty to follower of Christ
• Being baptized by the Archbishop of Canterbury after a divine appointment
• Building Pika: Transforming Africa's $1 trillion informal retail sector through data
• Why you can't address spiritual poverty without addressing financial poverty
• The cost of faith: Navigating family rejection while honoring God and spouse
• From Techstars rejection to acceptance: Trusting God's timing in business
• How bookkeeping apps can unlock credit, insurance, and economic development for 40 million traders

"You don't have the license to speak on someone's spiritual poverty until you've addressed their financial poverty." - Sadiq Edu

"Entrepreneurship is pulling back all the noise to see what's true - whether in faith or business." - Justin Forman

"If we lost everything tomorrow, doesn't matter. We know that the most important thing we have is Jesus." - Sadiq Edu

Join hosts Justin Forman and Dana Roefer as they go behind the scenes with Coby Cotton, one of the founders of Dude Perfect, to explore his journey from college basketball tricks to building one of the world's most trusted family entertainment brands reaching millions globally.

This episode dives deep into recognizing and nurturing the entrepreneurial spirit in children, even when it shows up in unexpected ways. Through Coby's story and practical parenting insights, discover how to identify creative seeds in your kids and foster their God-given talents.

• The Dude Perfect origin story: From backyard trick shots to global phenomenon
• Recognizing entrepreneurial traits in "imaginative" (sometimes rule-breaking) kids
• How to affirm creativity in frustrating parenting moments
• The balance between faith and business in building a company
• Why the creator economy is pulling entrepreneurship conversations earlier
• Practical ways to nurture your child's unique wiring and gifts
• The importance of early affirmation and creating safe spaces for failure

"Entrepreneurship is a funny word. What was the word that was upstream of that? It's really just creativity." - Justin Forman

"They start to show themselves really early on. And so as a parent, the hat that we're wearing is how do I see the ways that God has wired my kid? And then how do pull that out?" - Dana Roefer

"I feel strongly that God has used Dude Perfect, which is a business for His glory in a way that if I had gone and done vocational Ministry, I don't think would have happened." - Coby Cotton

In this powerful episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, hosts Justin Forman and Kevin Kim sit down with Chi-Ming and Juliette Chien to explore their radical decision to relocate their successful tech company from San Francisco's financial district to Bayview - a neighborhood where 25-30% of children live below the federal poverty line.

Chi-Ming shares how Dayspring Technologies embodies "bearing witness to God's redeeming of the workplace, marketplace, and community" through unconventional business practices like refusing to use leverage in negotiations, maintaining only three months of cash reserves, and implementing a pay structure where CEO compensation is capped at 3x the lowest paid employee.

Juliette reveals how their partnership with Redeemer Community Church led to the founding of RISE, a Christian high school where 80% of seats are reserved for first-generation college students from low-income families, with a mission of 100% four-year university admission.

• Why Dayspring moved from downtown San Francisco to Bayview, defying conventional business wisdom
• The theological imagination that shapes radical business practices
• How "prophetic emptiness" - leaving space for God to fill - birthed a transformative school
• The power of church-business partnerships in community transformation
• Practical examples of living out gospel economics in the marketplace
• Why achievement and control can be more dangerous idols than money

"I think a lot of times we call something impractical when it's largely left untried." - Juliette Chien

"In order to love a place, you need to know it. In order to know it, you need to learn it, so you gotta spend time." - Chi-Ming Chien

"If somebody takes your coat then give them your tunic also... That actually has implications for how we think about relating to our marketplace neighbors." - Chi-Ming Chien

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In this profound episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, host Justin Forman sits down with Raymond Harris, a distinguished architect, executive producer, and venture capitalist who founded one of the largest architectural firms specializing in corporate architecture. Raymond shares his remarkable journey from questioning whether he missed his calling to building an 8,000-project portfolio with Walmart while revolutionizing his understanding of wealth, stewardship, and Kingdom impact.

From giving away his entire wedding gift with only $600 in the bank to developing the concept of "Kingdom currency," Raymond's story challenges conventional thinking about success, generosity, and the true purpose of business.

• Raymond's journey from pre-med to architecture and his bold request to become a partner at age 27
• Building a firm that completed 8,000 projects for Walmart over 37 years
• The transformative realization: "I was really created not to be an architect, but to be a steward of his kingdom. Architecture was just the economic engine to do that."
• Why practicing generosity early matters: "If you're not generous when you don't have anything, you're certainly not gonna be generous when you have a lot"
• The concept of "Kingdom currency" - converting earthly assets into eternal impact
• Innovative approaches to inheritance: giving to children when they need it most, not when they're in their 60s
• The danger of achievement as an addiction and the importance of authentic brokenness
• Why donor-advised funds can become "storage warehouses" if not deployed strategically

"Did I miss the turn by not going into ministry? And I didn't want to. I wanted to be an architect... about 25 years after running a firm, the Lord said, no, you never missed the turn. You've always been on the right road. You've been trying to drive the car by looking in the mirror, look through the windshield."

"Why does he entrust wealth to people? But he gave it to us. So that we could steward it into his kingdom to take care of those that can't take care of himself."

"If we think that we can keep hold of earthly money and make more money on earth and then give away more money and that's really pleasing to God, I think he's more interested in us giving early so that he can compound what is really his money anyway."

"I call it kingdom currency. What is kingdom currency? Kingdom currency in my thinking is wealth and assets on this earth that will transfer into the next kingdom, which is eternity."

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In this powerful episode recorded at SXSW, host Justin Forman sits down with Renji Bijoy, founder and CEO of Immersed, the most-used application in the AR/VR space. Renji shares his journey from PhD student to tech entrepreneur, his mission to build faith-driven technology that brings people together rather than isolates them, and why he believes believers should be at the forefront of building the next generation of computing platforms.

• How separating identity from company outcomes leads to better decision-making and freedom from emotional choices
• Why Renji builds Immersed because he "hates remote work" - creating connection in a disconnected world
• The transition from software to hardware and launching Visor - a revolutionary AR headset that's 70% lighter than competitors
• Competing with tech giants like Apple, Google, and Meta while being guided by faith
• The importance of believers influencing culture through technology rather than being mere consumers
• Balancing 80-hour work weeks with faithful stewardship and avoiding willfulness
• How Immersed is positioned to impact humanoid robotics through human pose estimation data

"If we do what I think the Lord calls us to do, which is to separate our identity from what our work is... actually it's a lot more freeing."

"I'm building Immersed because I hate remote work... I think that there is a more God-glorifying version of that that makes us all feel very connected."

"I believe that if you have a world that the most common devices that we use, built by believers, I think that's going to be a lot more of a optimistic, bright future."

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Recorded live at SXSW, this episode features Clint Phillips, the healthcare entrepreneur who broke a Guinness World Record and is now revolutionizing medicine with AI technology. Clint shares his journey from South African rugby player to treating billionaires in Aspen, and how his daughter's stroke led him to create solutions that could make healthcare "practically free" worldwide.

Discover how Dr. Gabby, an AI doctor, can analyze your health through a 30-second facial scan and provide personalized medical advice 24/7. Learn why Americans take 22 times more drugs than the rest of the world and how technology could change everything.

[Chapters]

00:00 Introduction and SXSW

01:32 Breaking the Guinness World Record for pushing a car

05:11 Sports background and rugby foundation

07:11 South African entrepreneurial mindset

10:01 Meeting world-class entrepreneurs in Aspen

10:29 First business venture and FBI investigation

15:00 Building a dream clinic treating billionaires

18:33 The healthcare crisis in America

19:59 Personal tragedy: daughter's stroke

21:21 Creating Second MD to connect patients with specialists

23:57 Demonstrating the AI health scanning technology

28:09 How the facial scan works and what it reveals

30:00 Dr. Gabby: The world's smartest preventive AI doctor

32:36 Global impact potential and African expansion

34:09 Fighting the $5 trillion healthcare industry

36:02 How AI could help doctors be doctors again

39:01 Biggest challenges: lobby groups and regulation

42:42 Mission work in Zambia: schools, clinics, and Miracle Dam

46:13 How mission trips transformed his marriage

50:54 App download and free access code

The Current Challenges Facing Teens:

• 60% of today's students will work in jobs that don't exist yet
• Social media pressure and public identity formation
• College costs forcing earlier career decisions
• Record levels of anxiety and depression among young people

The Three-Part Framework:

1. Identity Discovery - Using tools like Working Genius to help teens understand their God-given strengths
2. Redemptive Imagination - Exposing kids to diverse entrepreneurial stories and possibilities
3. Conversation Starters - Creating opportunities for meaningful dialogue about faith, work, and purpose

AI and the Future of Work:

• How machine learning is automating predictable tasks
• Why creativity, curiosity, and question-asking will be essential skills
• The shift from needing specific degrees to developing entrepreneurial mindsets

• Lecrae's journey as both artist and business creator
• Phil Vischer's VeggieTales story of failure and redemption
• Dude Perfect's entrepreneurial success
• Personal stories of kids engaging with entrepreneurial content

• How families can use the course for summer activities
• Ways schools and churches can implement the curriculum
• The importance of adults calling out gifts in young people
• Creating environments that foster entrepreneurial thinking

• "Curiosity is a superpower"
• "The only time you have to be good at everything is at this point in their life"
• "Change starts with us and change starts at home"

In this special episode recorded at SXSW in Austin, Texas, hosts Justin Forman and Richard Cunningham sit down with Brent Beshore, founder and CEO of Permanent Equity, to discuss what it means to take a long-term, cathedral-like perspective in business and investing.

Brent shares his transformation from an achievement-driven atheist to a faith-focused entrepreneur, highlighting how his approach to private equity challenges industry norms with long-term capital, zero debt, and transparent fee structures. Throughout the conversation, Brent reveals how vulnerability and authentic relationships have been crucial both in his personal faith journey and in building a successful investment firm.

• Brent's journey from atheism to faith and how it transformed his perspective on business, family, and achievement
• The dangers of "acceptable sin" that starts small but eventually leads to devastating consequences
• Why living in the light through authentic relationships is essential for both personal healing and business success
• How Permanent Equity's unique model of 30-year capital and no debt creates true alignment with business owners
• The concept of "cathedral thinking" - building something that may take generations to complete
• The importance of community and authentic relationships in combating isolation, especially for successful entrepreneurs
• Why achievement, control, and self-reliance can be more dangerous addictions than substances

In this episode of the Faith Driven Entrepreneur Podcast, host Justin Forman sits down with Steve Preston, CEO of Goodwill Industries, to discuss his remarkable journey from Wall Street executive to nonprofit leader. Unlike the typical path of chasing wealth and status, Steve shares how he made intentional decisions to prioritize purpose over prestige throughout his career.

After starting at Lehman Brothers, Steve felt a tug that his faith was calling him toward a different path. He made a deal with God that he would "never make a decision for money, for prestige, or for power," which ultimately led him to leave banking on the cusp of making partner. His journey continued through corporate America, government service (including running the Small Business Administration during Hurricane Katrina recovery), and eventually to Goodwill, where he now leads one of America's most recognized nonprofit organizations.

• Steve's countercultural decision to leave Wall Street's wealth and prestige to follow God's calling
• The rich history of Goodwill beginning as a church-based ministry to help Boston's poorest residents
• How Goodwill provides holistic support to help people overcome barriers to employment
• The innovative prison education programs helping reduce recidivism rates to just 5%
• The power of corporate partnerships in scaling social impact
• How writing a personal mission statement helped Steve identify his calling
• The importance of seeing potential in people that they don't yet see in themselves

"I felt like God said, I've taken you thus far. Will you really go where I'm taking you? And worse, most of the people in my close-in circle said, you're crazy... And I had this moment where I thought to myself, I have been like every other American watching these horrific stories on television and wondering what I could do."

"Our founder's story and our founder's vision 125 years later is still very much a part of who we are... It was all deeply based in the conviction that every human being has embedded potential."

"I often say, when somebody comes through our door, we often see more in them than they see in themselves."