Ginny Prince was on staff with a national Christian organization when her very young child, born a girl, started persistently and resolutely to identify as male. She describes her family's process of figuring out what that meant even as it cost them relationships among some of their Christian friends. Dave is off this week but, in the conversation with Ginny, Tom is joined by Katie Imborek, director of the University of Iowa's LGBTQ clinic, and by his wife Adey Wassink, lead pastor of their Blue Ocean Church.