Danielle and Jenny talk to Cáel Keegan, author of Lana and Lilly Wachowski: Sensing Transgender, about how the trans experience resonates through the Matrix trilogy through its exploration of Neo's rejection of reality, Morpheus' therapist-like role, the studio's removal of Switch's transness, the symbolism of the mirror, and much more.

Cáel Keegan is an Assistant Professor of Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies and Integrative, Religious, and Intercultural Studies at Grand Valley State University. You can find him at caelkeegan.com and on twitter at @caelkeegan.

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