In our second interview, the MP for Brecon and Radnorshire and PPS to the Environment Secretary tells us what makes her a green Tory, reveals why access to nature was so important to her during lockdown, and argues that farming and biodiversity can go hand in hand.

PLUS Patrick Hall from the think tank Bright Blue on his latest report which examined public attitudes to the natural environment.

Presented by James Cullimore, CEN Nature Programmes Manager.

If you'd like to learn more about the Conservative Environment Network, visit cen.uk.com.