Go beyond the headlines with Scott Payne, a former undercover operative whose real-life missions placed him deep inside some of America’s most dangerous white supremacist groups and notorious biker gangs. STS’ Emmy Award–winning journalist Joel Waldman interviews Payne about the realities of living undercover—earning trust, managing constant risk, and the personal toll of years spent in the shadows. 

This compelling discussion explores life undercover, the psychology of extremist movements, the ethical lines investigators must navigate, and what it takes to return to normal life after years of deception. Thoughtful, tense, and deeply human, this interview offers rare insight into counter-extremism, investigative journalism, and the true cost of going undercover—from survival and sacrifice to resilience and redemption. 

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