Vulnerability research and inevitable conflicts with software companies has been a part of hacker culture for at least three decades. In this podcast, we’re joined by Casey John Ellis, co-founder of Bugcrowd and of Disclose.io where we discuss the evolution towards bug bounty programs, what this all means for the world of AI vulnerabilities, and how hackers are making the world more secure. We may sprinkle in some light economics and ethics into the conversation.