This podcast is brought to you by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, and it’s the second in a series of podcasts we’re doing that are all about cyber policy.

The Foundation funds a lot of interesting people and work in the cybersecurity space. So the idea behind this podcast series is pretty simple: we talk to Hewlett’s grant recipients, or experts in Hewlett’s network, about pressing policy issues and turn those conversations into podcasts. The whole idea is to get some policy perspectives out there among the Risky Business audience, which, funnily enough, includes a lot of policymakers.

This podcast features both Eric Rosenbach and Robert M Lee talking about ICS security.

Eric is the co-director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School. He also heads the Defending Digital Democracy project there. Eric has a very long and somewhat fascinating resume. As United States Assistant Secretary of Defense he led the US Defense Department’s efforts to counter cyberattacks by Iran and North Korea on US critical infrastructure. He’s also worked as a Chief Security Officer in the private sector and served as Pentagon chief of staff from 2015-2017.

Robert M Lee is the founder of Dragos Inc, a very well known company in the ICS/OT security space. Rob started out in infosec with the US Air Force as a Cyber Warfare Operations Officer tasked to the NSA, but as you’ll hear, Rob is actually pretty optimistic about the ICT/OT security challenge.