Since 2020, the housing market has been more volatile than a Michael Bay movie. During much of the pandemic's housing boom, historically low mortgages shielded homebuyers as folks migrated out of states like California and New York to places like Texas and Florida. But now, national mortgage rates have surpassed 5% and have eliminated some buyers from the market. So why is this happening? On the podcast this week, Joe speaks with Chris Heller. Chris received his real estate license when he was just 20 years old and went to become the CEO of real estate powerhouse Keller Williams Realty. He’s currently the Chief Real Estate Officer at OJO Labs, an Austin-based real estate tech company, and he’s also the author of the new book, Dominant Thoughts.