In January 2025, wildfire devastated L.A. and a little known fact about who is fighting these fires came to light: since the 1940s, California has relied on incarcerated people to fight fires on the frontlines. The program - known as Fire Camp - is criticized by some and lauded by others, but there’s one undeniable challenge…once these firefighters are released, it is nearly impossible to get a job in the fire service—despite their passion, experience, and a severe labor shortage. Hear from a firefighter who got his start in Fire Camp and created a pathway allowing others to follow in his footsteps. Speakers: Dr. Joel Bervell, MD, Royal Ramey

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