We talk with Bethany Torino, a Republican and non profit head, about the federal funding freeze and how it’s impacting her work, and how these broad changes are indiscriminate -whether you’re Independent, Democrat or Republican – in who they impact and harm.

This is a good episode to send to your “efficiency in the government” friends, the folks who think we spend too much and believe perhaps that the shutting down of the federal government is the only way to get at that efficiency. It’s time to have the REAL conversation about government waste.