The judge in Trump’s election theft case outsmarts him in the courtroom. Brian interviews former Obama spokesman and host of Pod Save America, Tommy Vietor, about whether Trump will be able to not attack the people prosecuting him, how Biden should handle the issue of Trump’s indictments, and whether it’s worth it for Democrats to focus on states like Ohio and North Carolina in 2024.

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Written by Brian Tyler Cohen

Produced by Sam Graber

Recorded in Los Angeles, CA

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