Prior to the COVID lockdown, Agnese Daverio could contentedly focus on her day job - producing the Edinburgh Jazz & Blues Festival. But the lonely, slow pace of the lockdown in the UK left her re-evaluating everything going on around her, making new observations that are even more poignant in light of the race-related protests in the US and around the world. She joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about what's going on right before our eyes. Meanwhile, Joel is optimistic that changes in policing have already begun, while Andrew laments the piecemeal application of civil rights from one jurisdiction to another. Remember to stay safe, y'all, and keep ya distance.