This episode is an interview with traveling artist, tech worker, community builder and social media rebel rouser Riles Spicer (they/them). We talk about a lot of things including organizing skills, building trust, choosing battles, learning discernment and the ways that the current capitalist paradigm makes those things hard.

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You can find Kori online koridoty.com, facebook.com/koridotyeducator, instagram.com/kori.doty/ (request to follow), tiktok.com/@papaswitch23

You can find Riles online @rileslovesyall, instagram.com/rileslovesyall/, softheartstudio.com , rileslovesyall.substack.com/ , tiktok.com/@rileslovesyall/

The tiktok that got this conversation started:

https://www.tiktok.com/@rileslovesyall/video/6968474650301041926?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7223262617774097926

Some of the ideas and teachers we reference in the show are:

https://www.tadahozumi.org/ -when we sit at a table to "do business", what is left out?

https://drkimberlydouglass.com/ - the dangerous conflation of leadership/organizing & management

https://www.lindastout.org/ - the need to imagine the world we want to live in without the restrictions of "but how?"

Kori's appearance on Good Morning Britain- when the fight is not about the opponent, but the audience.

Caterpillars become goo- becoming something new may involve a complete deconstruction