Join Indirect publishers Jessica Denzer and Dan White in conversation with author Michael Nath. Michael talks with us about his literary ancestry, his influences, and his new novel, Talbot & The Fall, which will be published as Indirect's first release in 2026.

Follow our wide-ranging conversation, covering everything from Falstaff to Nietzsche. Here’re (most of) the writers, books, and other pieces mentioned in our discussion:

• Henry IV Part II—specifically Act 2, Scene 4; watch a clip of the Royal Shakespeare Company’s 2014 performance here.
• Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the concept of “hilaritas”
• Wyndham Lewis
• Georges Bataille
• Beckett’s “Waiting for Godot”
• Kafka’s “The Trial”
• Jessica’s short story The Silence