Local government in every part of the UK is making tough decisions about the services they provide and how best they can support vulnerable people.  It's a difficult moment as they are facing budget challenges at a time when demand for critical services is high. There's also the cost of energy and the added demand of a population that is getting older. So what can be done?

Our podcast explores these issues in order to find some answers - as well as look towards the future. We are joined by special guests Jonathan Werran, chief executive of the Localis think tank and Justin Galliford, chief executive of Norse Group.

Their takes cover everything from Dennis Healey to school meals - and even Donald Rumsfeld gets a look-in. So, enjoy this very special edition.