Dougald Hine speaks with Joanna about: the genesis of the Dark Mountain project and the manifesto “Uncivilization”; facing the darkness about climate change and going beyond; recovering a sense of how to be a shelter to each other; facing the shadow of cultural poverty in our wealthy culture and finding a way home together; the everyday practice of hospitality and conviviality; the sacred emerging in a space that allows the articulation of darkness and despair; cultural rupture and prophetic words; the future begins at a shared table; imagination, politics and the unfinished struggle in our hearts; a hope that lies in the far side of despair; remembering the truth of initiation into adulthood as a culture.

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