This episode makes a powerful case for compromise and pragmatism as crucial ingredients in passing laws and getting things done.

Our guests are Democrat Abigail Spanberger and Republican Brian Fitzpatrick, who are both members of the Problem Solvers Caucus: 62 Members of Congress, evenly split between Republicans and Democrats.

Although you wouldn't know it from national media coverage, The Problem Solvers meet frequently when Congress is in session to discuss bipartisan legislation. They're often successful in moving bills forward. We hear a substantive, compelling, personal conversation with two lawmakers who work together and put country before party.

We first recorded our conversation nearly four years ago. Despite their party labels they agree with each other much more than you might think.