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In this 45th episode,  you’ll hear an interview that Joe had with his little bro, Matt Donar. During their chat - they covered topics like the difficulties of divorce, their crazy childhood, but also finding the faith we need to overcome anything that gets in our way.

Also, the song attached to this episode is Car Radio by 21 Pilots, which is a song that describes the importance of taking our thoughts back - but also how to navigate ourselves into finding peace through faith. Hope you enjoy!