In this week's episode Roshi Joan Halifax speaks with Joanna about: where fear and courage meet; healing the shadow in five human virtues; the survival of the kindest; a thread of consciousness across generations;  learning in the gap between kindnesses; the importance of a committed community; united by suffering and kindness; the humility of open-minded curiosity; to come alongside; the metacognitive perspective; the edge of empathy; radical inclusivity; the multiple threads that weave us together; meeting futility with radical optimism.