Martin and his namesake, Martin Phills take two separate conversations to make up this special edition podcast.  On the first hour, the Martins discuss the value of joy as a remedy for out modern day dilemmas, and how passion helps us to keep pushing through.  The second hour is a dialogue about psychological safety and what that looks like for black men in the Pilates studio. Martin Phills provides a helpful definition of the term co-opting and what the implications of that practice is for minority groups trying to help themselves.