What If the Path to Wisdom Begins with Admitting You Don't Know?
In this episode, I sit down with Zen Master Soeng Hyang(Barbara Rhodes), guiding teacher of the International Kwan Um School of Zen and author of Composting Our Karma: Turning Confusion into Lessons for Awakening Our Innate Wisdom, to explore the transformative power of beginner’smind, called don't-know mind in the Kwan Um school, a core Zen practice that helps us move beyond fear, assumptions, and the need to have all the answers.
Together, we discuss don’t know mind, karma, no-self, mantras, mother's/father's mind, meditation practice, and how learning to stay present with uncertainty can open the door to greater clarity, compassion, and authentic connection. Bobby shares stories from her own Zen journey and explains how practices like don't-know mind and Tonglen can help us navigate suffering, difficult relationships, personal growth, and an increasingly divided world.
Drawing on Zen Buddhist teachings, contemplative psychology, and reflections on modern social and political division, we explore how letting go of rigid identities and fixed beliefs can help us discover our deeper nature. Along the way, we examine the common threads connecting Zen Buddhismand Christianity, including love and compassion, and consider why these shared values may be the key to healing ourselves and our communities.
Whether you're interested in meditation, spirituality,personal growth, psychology, or the wisdom traditions that unite us, this conversation offers practical insights and contemplative tools for cultivating greater presence, resilience, compassion, and wisdom in everyday life.
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