Shirley Lammers and Yuen Yen Tsai met during work at the Design Thinkers Academy, Amsterdam. At this moment Shirly is graduating from International Life Studies. Here Shirley learns how to design lifestyle concepts, that improve quality of life. So people become healthier, more relaxed or self-aware.

They share a conversation about how individuals express their identity. And how this could play a role in facilitated sessions.