Joe Cass hosted Iain Stealey, International CIO of JP Morgan Asset Management and S&P Global’s Chief Economist Paul Gruenwald on the Fixed Income in 15 podcast. Conversation turned to investors expectation of the global bonds market in 2020 and indicators traditionally used to forecast a potential recession. Discussion moved on to England’s heart-breaking loss in the Rugby World Cup final and the most impressive person Paul met during his 16 year tenure at the IMF.