What a dope hang with Mr. Phelps! He's a songwriter, rapper and educator based in Seattle. He founded and teaches the course MAKE THAT SH!T MODERN (musicandlifemindset.com). In this episode, Nick and I discuss the first song he ever wrote at age 13, how he gets into a writing rhythm with his toplines, and about making your music sound more modern. Enjoy this interview, and until next time let your best writing shine through!!