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Generative interfaces, vibe-coded desktop apps, and Jack's attempt to build agent workspaces for every domain.
We opened with Flipbook, a generative visual web experiment where pages are rendered as AI-generated images instead of traditional HTML interfaces. The bigger question: what happens if software skips GUI frameworks entirely and models generate visual UI directly?
Flipbook
X-Pilot
Coverage: Flipbook as a generative visual internet
Chris tested Claude Design for slide creation and found the output visually polished but practically unusable. The discussion centered on design as intent, not aesthetics: Claude handled fonts and colors well, but missed constraints, hierarchy, format, and density.
Claude Design
Mike Krieger leaves Figma’s board
Figma
We talked through Glaze, Raycast’s new AI app builder, and Chris’s attempt to recreate a Ring camera desktop/menu bar app from a PRD. Glaze produced a functional TypeScript app shell, but authentication, live data, OAuth, and polish remain open challenges.
Glaze
Raycast
Ring App Store
Ring Live View
Fly.io
Jack proposed testing Glaze with an FFmpeg wrapper: a simple drag-and-drop video converter with presets. The point was to see how far these AI-built app platforms can reach beyond mock UI and into real local tooling.
The results were not bad with a one-shot prompt!
FFmpeg
Permute
Jack shared progress on Recursive after 1,500+ sessions using it as his primary development environment. The next step is abstracting the core into a monorepo so the same agent workspace, inbox, plugin system, automations, and tooling can power vertical apps for finance, writing, marketing, and more.
Obsidian
Model Context Protocol
Copilot Money
Xcode
The episode closed with a quick Click update: new builds are ready, but Apple review and TestFlight checks have slowed distribution to testers. The conversation touched on how review processes may be getting stricter, especially around privacy-sensitive app behavior.
TestFlight
Apple Developer
By Jack Bogdan and Chris MessinaGenerative interfaces, vibe-coded desktop apps, and Jack's attempt to build agent workspaces for every domain.
We opened with Flipbook, a generative visual web experiment where pages are rendered as AI-generated images instead of traditional HTML interfaces. The bigger question: what happens if software skips GUI frameworks entirely and models generate visual UI directly?
Flipbook
X-Pilot
Coverage: Flipbook as a generative visual internet
Chris tested Claude Design for slide creation and found the output visually polished but practically unusable. The discussion centered on design as intent, not aesthetics: Claude handled fonts and colors well, but missed constraints, hierarchy, format, and density.
Claude Design
Mike Krieger leaves Figma’s board
Figma
We talked through Glaze, Raycast’s new AI app builder, and Chris’s attempt to recreate a Ring camera desktop/menu bar app from a PRD. Glaze produced a functional TypeScript app shell, but authentication, live data, OAuth, and polish remain open challenges.
Glaze
Raycast
Ring App Store
Ring Live View
Fly.io
Jack proposed testing Glaze with an FFmpeg wrapper: a simple drag-and-drop video converter with presets. The point was to see how far these AI-built app platforms can reach beyond mock UI and into real local tooling.
The results were not bad with a one-shot prompt!
FFmpeg
Permute
Jack shared progress on Recursive after 1,500+ sessions using it as his primary development environment. The next step is abstracting the core into a monorepo so the same agent workspace, inbox, plugin system, automations, and tooling can power vertical apps for finance, writing, marketing, and more.
Obsidian
Model Context Protocol
Copilot Money
Xcode
The episode closed with a quick Click update: new builds are ready, but Apple review and TestFlight checks have slowed distribution to testers. The conversation touched on how review processes may be getting stricter, especially around privacy-sensitive app behavior.
TestFlight
Apple Developer