Had to happen! Declan and Jo discuss Jo's newly published novel, Between You and Me. (This was Declan's idea.) We talk about generational politics, the struggle of portraying power and political consciousness in fiction, the mortifying ordeal of being perceived as an author, and how to write sex scenes. Major spoilers for the novel ahead.

If you would like to buy a copy of the book, you can do so here: booktopia.kh4ffx.net/q4znVg. Or borrow it from the library. Or don't. Whatever! Thank you and I'm sorry.