This week Jonathan and Randal talk Flutter and Dart! Is Google killing Flutter? What's the challenge Randal sees in training new senior developers, and what's the solution? Listen to find out!

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Theme music: "Newer Wave" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

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