In this episode of The Thing Doers, Sam and Pam decide to spice things up by bringing their better (or worse?) halves Austin and Steve onto this week’s podcast to talk about that delightful rollercoaster we call marriage and the path from the first date, breaking up, living together and then the altar. With many years of wedded bliss (or survival) under their belts, they’ll share their oh-so-personal insights on fighting styles, communication, having their lives together while still having their own independent lives. You’ll also get the scoop on how they figured out they’d found “the one” and what it’s like trying to build a healthy relationship by having things you do together and hobbies of your own like surfing, coloring or organizing a drawer (Pam’s convinced that qualifies as a hobby). Plus, they’ll dive into the art of being real in front of your person from the get-go, no facades allowed, and what it’s like growing up together in a marriage (because apparently, maturity is optional). Hold onto your vows, it’s about to get real.