In our third episode, Jon and Verda spend some time with Jane Abernethy talking about the toxic ingredients in product that need to be removed, and what this means to your supply chain. Jane is the Chief Sustainability Officer at Humanscale Corporation, and has been a driver in their work achieving the coveted Living Product Challenge Certification, removing Red List ingredients and in creating a Net Positive Impact on our planet. This episode talks about something new-Forensic Design. Is it a thing? Jon and Verda think so!

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