This episode covers formation beneath the surface, deep conviction shaped by theology not trends, and the kind of leadership that actually lasts. In a leadership conversation with Rob Wagner, we talk about the hidden cost most leaders are never warned about, crucifixion before influence, and why sustainable fruit only comes from abiding. This is a word for leaders who are more concerned with being faithful than being seen, and who want a life and ministry that can endure over time.

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“A Church of House Churches: An Articulated and Applied Ecclesiology”: https://a.co/d/0vgpSjV