When Stephen Goldsmith served as Indianapolis’ 46th mayor, he used his unparalleled creativity to effect change for city residents. Now two decades removed from his time as mayor, he chats with Richard and Padden about using data to help evolve governance strategies, being both imaginative and pragmatic as a leader, and how he adjusted to his role as New York’s deputy mayor under Mike Bloomberg after his stretch in Indianapolis.

Recorded May 20, 2021.