Brandon Rhoten has been in restaurant marketing for nearly twenty years — CMO at Papa John's, CMO at Potbelly, and the architect of the digital program that put Wendy's back on the cultural map. In this episode, he and Katherine get into the product launch process that most franchise brands are too impatient to build, why cultural relevance is a point of view before it's a tactic, and why franchisees don't care how many impressions your last post got.

In this episode:

• The filtering, ops testing, and market testing process behind a real product launch
• Why the product launch calendar has to be built a year in advance — and how to sell that discipline to a C suite that wants to move fast
• How Dave's Hot Chicken connects to culture without chasing it
• Building a marketing calendar for brands that don't have constant product news
• What franchisees actually want to hear from marketing — and it isn't impressions

Guest: Brandon Rhoten, CMO, Dave's Hot Chicken
 Brandon has spent nearly twenty years in restaurant marketing. He built the digital and social program at Wendy's, served as CMO at Papa John's and Potbelly, and now leads marketing at one of the most culturally visible brands in fast casual. He owns restaurants himself, which means he brings both the brand-side and the franchisee-side lens to this conversation.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Kim Gouch (Retro Fitness) and Will Fraker (The Good Feed Store) join the conversation to talk about what AI is actually doing inside franchise marketing right now — not the buzzword version, but the real decisions their teams are making around creative, websites, data, and channel strategy heading into 2027. If you leave this episode with one thing, it's this: AI is already rewriting the customer journey before your prospects ever land on your website, and most franchise marketers aren't watching.

In this episode:

• How AI is disrupting the customer journey before customers reach your website — and what to do about it
• The "go slow to go fast" discipline-first approach to AI adoption
• Where AI belongs in creative production and where it absolutely doesn't
• How to prioritize channels for the AI era — email, paid, website, and beyond
• What franchise marketers need to stop doing with AI right now

Guest: Kim Gouch, Chief Brand Officer, Retro Fitness
Kim has spent 30+ years in franchising across hotel, hospitality, restaurants, and fitness — including time on both the franchisor and franchisee sides. As the first-ever Chief Brand Officer at Retro Fitness, she's building the AI strategy for a high-value, low-price fitness brand with e-commerce at its core. Her brand-first perspective on guardrails and authenticity is one of the clearest frameworks in this conversation.

Guest: Will Fraker, VP of Brand and Performance, The Good Feed Store
Will has been in franchising for over a decade across home services, retail, and specialty. At the Good Feed Store — a 300+ location brand — he oversees brand and performance marketing while also supporting a much smaller early-stage stretch brand. That contrast gives him a uniquely practical lens on what AI looks like at scale versus what it looks like when you're a team of one.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Local store marketing is one of the most talked-about and least-solved challenges in franchising — and Laura Peever and Marci Kleinsasser are two people who've actually done the work. This episode covers what breaks down between the playbook and the franchisee, how to build activation that compounds, and why the most underrated growth lever isn't a media tactic at all.

In this episode:

• Why the playbook-handoff model fails and what to replace it with
• Setting franchisee expectations from day one — including in the franchise development process
• Alternative metrics for community-based marketing that can't show direct attribution
• The Budget Blinds daily tip model and what makes it work
• Customer experience as a local marketing engine: why your hire and training standards are a marketing decision

Guest: Laura Peever, Head of Marketing, Sportball
 Laura has spent her career across agency and client roles spanning retail, pharma, research, and brand strategy — and brings a generalist's lens to a franchise-specific challenge. At Sportball, a children's enrichment brand with 35-plus locations across four countries, she's building local activation systems that work from Brooklyn to Singapore.

Guest: Marci Kleinsasser, CFE, VP of Marketing, Voxie
 Marci has 30-plus years in franchise marketing, starting on the agency side and leading franchisee marketing, brand fund strategy, and franchise development marketing for brands across restaurant, retail, and service categories. She now leads marketing at Voxie, a text marketing platform purpose-built for franchise and multi-location brands — and brings that full arc of experience to this conversation.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Franchise Marketing and Growth Advisor | Apollo CMO

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Google and Meta efficiencies keep declining, and most franchise marketers don't have a real plan for what fills the gap. Chris McGee (Batteries Plus) and Karen Wenning (Suttle Strauss) join Katherine to debate connected mail, cable TV, and the channels worth testing before the 2027 budget cycle locks in.

In this episode:

• Why blanket direct mail without strategy is the channel both guests agreed should go first
• How connected mail programs deliver three to five touches before a mail piece even arrives
• The difference between a return on investment and a return on relationship
• Why Batteries Plus moved from store-level to market-level media pooling
• What "spray and pray" looks like in 2027 — and why both guests say it has to stop

Guest: Chris McGee, VP of Marketing, Batteries Plus
Chris has spent over 20 years across agency, analytics, and client-side marketing roles, with a career-long focus on brand storytelling. At Batteries Plus, he's led the shift from fragmented local media buying to a market-pooled, data-backed strategy that grew reach by 25% this year.

Guest: Karen Wenning, Director of Client Partnerships, Suttle Strauss
Karen has worked in franchise marketing for over 20 years, specializing in connected mail programs that combine direct mail with digital retargeting. She brings a rare vendor-side view of what local activation actually looks like across hundreds of franchisee relationships.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Digital media costs are up, attribution is murkier, and the default answer — more search, more paid social — isn't working the way it used to. Alex Preddie from Rocket Barn and Christy Johnson (CMO) and Madison Belfour (Director of Marketing) from Tint World sit down to get specific about what franchise marketers should actually be doing differently heading into 2027 budget planning. The one thing every listener will walk away with: a cleaner framework for how to allocate budget to customer moments instead of channel percentages.

In this episode:

• The right question to ask when performance looks like it's declining (it might not be)
• Why first-party data is now a survival strategy, not a nice-to-have
• AI-generated creative and what franchisee engagement data actually says about it
• How to activate franchisees as local content creators without losing brand governance
• Where franchise systems are over-investing their digital dollars right now

Guest: Alex Preddie, VP of Sales and Marketing, Rocket Barn
Seven years at a franchise-focused growth agency specializing in home services and automotive brands. Alex works directly with franchisees and franchisors on local marketing strategy, and has a front-row seat to what's working and what's bleeding budget across multiple franchise systems simultaneously.

Guest: Christy Johnson and Madison Belfour, CMO and Director of Marketing, Tint World
Christy brings decades of franchise marketing experience across major brands including Papa John's and Yum Brands, now six weeks into the CMO seat at Tint World. Madison has spent five and a half years running franchisee marketing operations at Tint World from the inside. Together they offer both the strategic view and the operational reality of what it actually takes to manage digital media across a franchise network.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Aren Johnstone (Franchise Ramp) and Dan Wheeler (CMO, K9 Resorts) join Katherine for a direct conversation about what franchise marketers are actually measuring and whether it's doing anything useful. This episode centers on the gap between data collection and decision-making — and what it takes to close it inside a real franchise system.

In this episode:

• Why "if it doesn't drive a decision, you don't need it" is the right test for your scorecard
• Cash flowable CAC: a franchisee-friendly framework for understanding marketing payback that goes beyond ROAS
• The tornado vs. the funnel: how rethinking the customer journey changes what you measure
• Building one source of truth: what it really takes, and why consistent imperfection beats perfect paralysis
• Why single-platform dependence is one of the biggest risks in franchise marketing right now

Guest: Aren Johnstone, CEO, Franchise Ramp
Aren leads a paid media and creative agency built specifically for franchise brands and franchisees — two of his partners are franchisees themselves. Franchise Ramp works with over 1,300 locations across 25+ brands, and Aren has spent seven years building the internal systems and tech stack to aggregate performance data across hundreds of disparate ad accounts. He knows the franchise data problem from the inside.

Guest: Dan Wheeler, CMO, K9 Resorts Luxury Pet Hotel
Dan came to pet care from a career in restaurant and hospitality franchising, and he's bringing the same rigor to K9 Resorts — a brand with 50 open locations and 150 in development. He's currently overseeing the build of a first-party data platform that ties reservation data, franchise-level P&L, and media performance into one place. His frameworks on franchisee communication and demand creation are the kind of thing you don't hear enough at franchise marketing conferences.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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PR, email, and social — and what's actually worth your budget going into 2027. Katherine LeBlanc sits down with Ashley Mitchell of East Coast Wings and Girl and Zack Fishman of Fishman PR for a peer conversation on where each channel stands, what's changing, and what a franchise marketing team should actually be doing with their owned and earned media right now.

In this episode:

• Why GEO has rescued PR measurement — and how to make the case for it internally
• Local-first social strategy: why franchisee content outperforms corporate brand content and how to build the infrastructure to support it
• The reality of brand-level social: entertainment vs. education, and what that means for your investment
• Email personalization in practice — rebuilding from scratch vs. patching an old program
• Email as a paid media channel: an underexplored model for franchise brands
• The one thing both guests tell franchise marketing teams to stop doing right now

Guest: Ashley Mitchell, VP of Marketing, East Coast Wings and Grill Ashley has spent her career in franchise marketing communications — from a six-year stint at the Walt Disney Company into franchising across consumer marketing, franchise development, M&A, and fractional CMO roles. She brings a practitioner's lens to the owned media conversation: what's working at the unit level, where the social ROI math stops adding up, and why she's rebuilding her email program from the ground up.

Guest: Zack Fishman, Partner, Fishman PR and Franchise Supplier Network Zack grew up in the franchise industry — his mother founded Fishman PR, the largest franchise-specific PR firm in the space — and he's built his own career at the intersection of earned media strategy and owned channel technology. He advises brands on consumer and franchise development PR, and his work at Franchise Supplier Network focuses on the tools and systems that make local social, texting, and review management scalable for franchise systems.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Brand fund budgeting is where franchise marketing strategy gets real — fixed dollars, franchisee expectations, and a landscape that keeps changing underneath you. In this episode Katherine LeBlanc talks with Adam Terranova from Authority Brands and Brooke Janousek, Fractional CMO for IV Nutrition, about the frameworks they actually use to build budgets that hold up and that franchisees trust. If you're heading into fall budget season, this is the conversation to have first.

In this episode:

• Why calling it a brand fund instead of an ad fund changes franchisee expectations from day one
• The PESO model as a framework for both allocating budget and explaining it to franchisees
• The 60/30/10 split — how to build flexibility and contingency into a fixed budget before the year starts
• What franchisees are really asking for when they push for more SEO spend
• How to show up in LLMs across multiple owned platforms without adding significant budget

Guest: Adam Terranova, Senior Director of Marketing, Authority Brands Adam has been in franchising since 2013 and oversees marketing across five home service trades brands at Authority Brands — One Hour Heating and Air Conditioning, Benjamin Franklin Plumbing, Mr. Sparky, Dry Medic, and Stop Restoration. He has built and managed brand funds at startup brands and at scale, and has been presenting the PESO framework to franchise marketers since he first learned it over a decade ago.

Guest: Brooke Janousek, Fractional CMO, IV Nutrition Brooke brings ten years of franchise marketing experience across home services and health and wellness, including time at Garage Experts and Hello Garage before her current role at IV Nutrition, a 47-location IV therapy brand. She has built brand funds from zero, managed them through rapid growth, and navigated some of the most disruptive years in digital marketing as a fractional CMO.

Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Kim Gubera, President & CEO of PIRTEK, stepped into her role in 2019 and did something almost no leader does — she visited every single franchisee before changing anything. In this conversation, she shares how that decision built the cultural foundation that drove a record-breaking 2025, and how PIRTEK maintains a standard of excellence — including through moments that were anything but easy. This is a straight-talking episode about what franchise leadership actually looks like when the values aren't just on the wall.

In this episode:

• How PIRTEK recruits for franchisee-first thinking at every level of the home office
• Why radical transparency — including disclosing an internal integrity issue at their franchise conference — is the only way to build real trust
• What it takes to sustain franchisee support and culture through rapid unit growth

Guest: Kim Gubera, President & CEO, PIRTEK 
Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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Steven and Jason Parker have been in the pet care industry since 1999 and franchising K9 Resorts since 2011. In this conversation, they walk Katherine through the disciplined, long-view philosophy that's gotten them to 50 open locations — and what it actually means to award franchises instead of selling them.

In this episode:

• Why they turned down one of their earliest franchise candidates — and how it shaped their development process
• The leadership model they use as co-CEO brothers, and how they built a C-suite that complements rather than replicates
• The pet care industry's next evolution: mental enrichment, smaller group sizes, and what "humanization" looks like in 2026

Guest: Steven and Jason Parker, Co-Founders and Co-CEOs, K9 Resorts 
Host: Katherine LeBlanc, Fractional CMO | Apollo CMO

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