Brad Lomenick catches up with Francis Chan at Catalyst Dallas and talks about parenting, leading by example, and living for eternity. Then, Carlos Whittaker chats with Wade Joye and Chris Brown from Elevation Church about leading worship in the church. PODCAST LISTENERS, register now for Catalyst Atlanta 2014, and get $20 off current pricing! Good through June 27. Visit catalystconference.com and enter rate code PODCAST.