After five years, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse concluded with volumes of stories and a set of recommendations. Yet the work hardly seems done. What lies ahead for the Catholic Church, against which so many claims of abuse and cover-up were made?

Francis Sullivan is CEO of the Truth Justice and Healing Council, which was convened by Australian Catholic bishops and congregations to coordinate Church engagement with the Royal Commission.

He talks about what the process has been like, and the growing unease among ordinary Catholics that church leaders still don't get it.

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