Jim Grisanzio from Java Developer Relations talks with François Martin, a full stack developer from Switzerland who loves teaching Java to students and contributing to the Java community. This conversation ranges from teaching students Java from scratch, the value of test driven development, the lessons from NASA's Apollo project, the benefits — and surprises — of contributing to open source projects, and so much more. Even open source marketing and The Cluetrain Manifesto came up! François is passionate about coding in Java and sharing his experiences with other developers at JUG meetings and conferences. Java was the first language he learned and that seems to made all the difference in the world.  François Martin https://x.com/fmartin_ Duke's Corner https://bsky.app/profile/dukescorner.bsky.social https://dukescorner.libsyn.com Jim Grisanzio https://x.com/jimgris