Nat and I talk mostly plants in this episode. He's an expert at grafting (attaching plant limbs to other plants), a chocolatier, and awesome musician! The cool surf rock jam in the beginning is called Rioja-Do the Alkeehol! by his project The Aquamen, and the outtro is called Noodle from his project Shredd Papaya. You can find him at nattybynature.net and madrechocolate.com