This podcast was released but the quality of the recording was severely compromised - this is a superior version of the same conversation.

Frans Cronje is a popular guest and is best known as the CEO of the IRR. Frans spends an extended podcast providing incisive insight into the outcomes of the 2019 elections in South Africa including:

- What next for the ANC?

- Why the DA performed so poorly

- Whether there really is a shift to the “far right” as the mainstream media would

have you believe.