Freddie deBoer, prolific writer, Marxist scholar and influential voice of the American left, sits down for a chat. Typically in political discourse we spend endless time and energy taking shots at opposing political parties. Let's be honest, it's fun and really easy. Sometimes even cathartic. The only problem is that a myopic critique of "the other" is neither morally consistent nor politically useful. 

Freddie and Casey discuss the left's trend towards nihilism, and our preference toward winning moral battles, even if that means losing ground in terms of real power. As Freddie reiterates many times throughout the episode, we have real work to do if we want to see a more socialistic future. 

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Music: Orbach

Art: Phil Nellis