Ali geeks out on her love of music with Chad Wolf. They talk about how his love for Swedish music led to the inception of Carolina Liar, the demise of the band after the second record, then how David Dobrik has recently revitalised their first album giving his career a second wind. Other topics include writing obituaries, winning over an audience, and putting the time in your career and good deeds.

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